Comments on: Service triggers: an attempt to reduce bloat in Windows 7 http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1073-service-triggers-an-attempt-to-reduce-bloat-in-windows-7.html Tech writing blog Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:04:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gary Sims http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1073-service-triggers-an-attempt-to-reduce-bloat-in-windows-7.html/comment-page-1#comment-114826 Gary Sims Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:32:15 +0000 http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1073-service-triggers-an-attempt-to-reduce-bloat-in-windows-7.html#comment-114826 Ah! xinetd comes to Windows! And as for auto start with delay, do you know how annoying it is to think your machine is booted and then when you start doing something all these delayed services start and you need to wait more... If Linux and OS X can start in a quick fashion, why can't Windows! Gary Ah! xinetd comes to Windows! And as for auto start with delay, do you know how annoying it is to think your machine is booted and then when you start doing something all these delayed services start and you need to wait more… If Linux and OS X can start in a quick fashion, why can’t Windows!

Gary

]]> By: asf http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1073-service-triggers-an-attempt-to-reduce-bloat-in-windows-7.html/comment-page-1#comment-114769 asf Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:55:28 +0000 http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1073-service-triggers-an-attempt-to-reduce-bloat-in-windows-7.html#comment-114769 Why would we care what apple does, this is something we could hack together without help from apple, its just the service config, just use sc.exe Zach: Vista already added a auto start with delay mode. Why would we care what apple does, this is something we could hack together without help from apple, its just the service config, just use sc.exe

Zach: Vista already added a auto start with delay mode.

]]> By: Clyde Davies http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1073-service-triggers-an-attempt-to-reduce-bloat-in-windows-7.html/comment-page-1#comment-114758 Clyde Davies Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:52:44 +0000 http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1073-service-triggers-an-attempt-to-reduce-bloat-in-windows-7.html#comment-114758 Third party manufacturers here can help in another way. Even after logging-in it takes an age for my workstation to become responsive thanks to all the rubbish that gets installed in the System Tray. Yes, I do use RealPlayer but no, I do not want the latest gossip on celebrities. Same goes for Quicktime, Windows Messenger etc., much of which admittedly has a 'run automatically on startup' switch but which also seems to come with a lot of utter crap of no real use whatsoever. Less is very definitely more. Third party manufacturers here can help in another way. Even after logging-in it takes an age for my workstation to become responsive thanks to all the rubbish that gets installed in the System Tray. Yes, I do use RealPlayer but no, I do not want the latest gossip on celebrities. Same goes for Quicktime, Windows Messenger etc., much of which admittedly has a ‘run automatically on startup’ switch but which also seems to come with a lot of utter crap of no real use whatsoever. Less is very definitely more.

]]> By: Zach http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1073-service-triggers-an-attempt-to-reduce-bloat-in-windows-7.html/comment-page-1#comment-114701 Zach Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:00:54 +0000 http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1073-service-triggers-an-attempt-to-reduce-bloat-in-windows-7.html#comment-114701 What they need to do is have an additional service startup type that means "at boot, but it's not required for the system to operate". In fact, perhaps Windows 7 should automatically do this for all application services BY DEFAULT, forcing people to explicitly change it when they build their code for Windows 7. The advantage of this is that you can use your system immediately, but while your desktop is loading, and you're opening your browser and your outlook email client, the system is still in the background on a low priority thread loading your services. If and when you attempt to connect to one of the services, if it still is not finished loading, then the application blocks. But probably not for too long, because it's already been trying to load for a bit. The problem is that if you specify a service to start at boot time, the system automatically assumes that core OS functionality doesn't work without the service started. This would be a win/win for everyone. Only a small compromise for apple, because unless the user is opening itunes within 20 seconds of their system booting, there's no slowdown at all because by the time they do go to start itunes, the service already finished. What they need to do is have an additional service startup type that means “at boot, but it’s not required for the system to operate”. In fact, perhaps Windows 7 should automatically do this for all application services BY DEFAULT, forcing people to explicitly change it when they build their code for Windows 7. The advantage of this is that you can use your system immediately, but while your desktop is loading, and you’re opening your browser and your outlook email client, the system is still in the background on a low priority thread loading your services. If and when you attempt to connect to one of the services, if it still is not finished loading, then the application blocks. But probably not for too long, because it’s already been trying to load for a bit.

The problem is that if you specify a service to start at boot time, the system automatically assumes that core OS functionality doesn’t work without the service started.

This would be a win/win for everyone. Only a small compromise for apple, because unless the user is opening itunes within 20 seconds of their system booting, there’s no slowdown at all because by the time they do go to start itunes, the service already finished.

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