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	<title>Comments on: Why Audio Matters: Greg Calbi and others on &#8220;this age of bad sound&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Cris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, he started me off on this trail. A 48 input console had been delivered to George Martin&#039;s Air Studios, and Geoff Emerick was very unhappy about it. It was a new console, made not long after I had sold the Neve company in 1977. George Martin called me and said, &quot;please come and make Geoff happy, while he&#039;s unhappy we can&#039;t do any work&quot;.

They&#039;d had engineers from the company there, and so on. The danger is that if you are not sensitive to people like Geoff Emerick, and you don&#039;t respect them for what they have done, then you are not going to listen to them. Unfortunately, there was a breed of young engineers in the company ( I hasten to say this was after I sold it !) who couldn&#039;t understand what he was bitching about. So they went back to the company and just made a report saying the customer was mad and there wasn&#039;t really a problem. Leave it alone, forget it, the problem will go away. They were acting like used car salesmen. I was very angry with it. So I went and spent time there, at George Martin&#039;s request, and Geoff finally managed to show me what it was that he could hear, and then I began to hear it, too.

Now Geoff was The Golden Ears - and he still is - and he was perceiving something that I wasn&#039;t looking for. And it wasn&#039;t until I had spent some time with him, as it were, being lead by him through the sounds, that I began to pick up what he was listening to. And once I&#039;d heard it, oh yes, then I knew what he was talking about. We measured it and found that in three out of the full 48 channels, the output transformers had not been correctly terminated and were producing a 3dB rise at 54kHz. And so people said, &quot;oh no, he can&#039;t possible hear that&quot;. But when we corrected that problem, and it was only one capacitor that had to be added to each of those three channels, I mean, Geoff&#039;s face just lit up ! Here you have the happiness/ unhappiness mood thing the Japanese were talking about.&quot;

-- Rupert Neve, from &quot;Audio Technology Magazine&quot; Issue 1, March/ April 1998</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, he started me off on this trail. A 48 input console had been delivered to George Martin&#8217;s Air Studios, and Geoff Emerick was very unhappy about it. It was a new console, made not long after I had sold the Neve company in 1977. George Martin called me and said, &#8220;please come and make Geoff happy, while he&#8217;s unhappy we can&#8217;t do any work&#8221;.</p>
<p>They&#8217;d had engineers from the company there, and so on. The danger is that if you are not sensitive to people like Geoff Emerick, and you don&#8217;t respect them for what they have done, then you are not going to listen to them. Unfortunately, there was a breed of young engineers in the company ( I hasten to say this was after I sold it !) who couldn&#8217;t understand what he was bitching about. So they went back to the company and just made a report saying the customer was mad and there wasn&#8217;t really a problem. Leave it alone, forget it, the problem will go away. They were acting like used car salesmen. I was very angry with it. So I went and spent time there, at George Martin&#8217;s request, and Geoff finally managed to show me what it was that he could hear, and then I began to hear it, too.</p>
<p>Now Geoff was The Golden Ears &#8211; and he still is &#8211; and he was perceiving something that I wasn&#8217;t looking for. And it wasn&#8217;t until I had spent some time with him, as it were, being lead by him through the sounds, that I began to pick up what he was listening to. And once I&#8217;d heard it, oh yes, then I knew what he was talking about. We measured it and found that in three out of the full 48 channels, the output transformers had not been correctly terminated and were producing a 3dB rise at 54kHz. And so people said, &#8220;oh no, he can&#8217;t possible hear that&#8221;. But when we corrected that problem, and it was only one capacitor that had to be added to each of those three channels, I mean, Geoff&#8217;s face just lit up ! Here you have the happiness/ unhappiness mood thing the Japanese were talking about.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211; Rupert Neve, from &#8220;Audio Technology Magazine&#8221; Issue 1, March/ April 1998</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for the comment.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Good electronics extend well beyond 20Khz. The issue isn’t whether or not you can hear that high. The issue is the harmonic structure of instruments that certain extends beyond our hearing and “beats” back into frequencies we can hear. When you cut them off sharply and artificially as 44.1K/16 bit audio does, the brain is not fooled even if the person is.
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How many recordings have meaningful content at or above 20Khz - especially older recordings from the 70s and earlier.?

Has anyone tried an experiment where frequencies above 20Khz are switched in and out, to test whether the difference is perceptible?

I am on both sides of the fence here - I love vinyl and agree that it often sounds better, but I&#039;ve tended to attribute the difference more to mastering and sources than inherent capabilities.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for the comment.</p>
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Good electronics extend well beyond 20Khz. The issue isn’t whether or not you can hear that high. The issue is the harmonic structure of instruments that certain extends beyond our hearing and “beats” back into frequencies we can hear. When you cut them off sharply and artificially as 44.1K/16 bit audio does, the brain is not fooled even if the person is.
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<p>How many recordings have meaningful content at or above 20Khz &#8211; especially older recordings from the 70s and earlier.?</p>
<p>Has anyone tried an experiment where frequencies above 20Khz are switched in and out, to test whether the difference is perceptible?</p>
<p>I am on both sides of the fence here &#8211; I love vinyl and agree that it often sounds better, but I&#8217;ve tended to attribute the difference more to mastering and sources than inherent capabilities.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fremer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Fremer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;double blind&quot; listening tests designed to &quot;prove&quot; that 16/44.1 is transparent have an agenda. There are people at AES with that same agenda. I once participated in a double blind amplifier test since there are boneheads who insist that all amplifiers that measure the same, sound the same. I scored 5 of 5 correct identifications. My editor at Stereophile got 4 of 5 correct. The average listener at the event couldn&#039;t distinguish them, proving to me that they lacked the experience to perform well in such tests or were simply poor listeners. Instead of drawing that conclusion, Dr. Stanley Lipschitz insisted that I was a &quot;lucky coin&quot; and my performance was tossed out. What a joke! I&#039;ve done non-blind listening tests with people who insisted that CDs sounded better than vinyl and when all was said and done they agreed that vinyl sounds much better, much more natural, much more realistic and far more emotionally involving. Period. Good electronics extend well beyond 20Khz. The issue isn&#039;t whether or not you can hear that high. The issue is the harmonic structure of instruments that certain extends beyond our hearing and &quot;beats&quot; back into frequencies we can hear. When you cut them off sharply and artificially as 44.1K/16 bit audio does, the brain is not fooled even if the person is. I don&#039;t know what the AES test consisted of, but I was involved in demo with soundtrack engineer Shawn Murphy who played some analog master tapes straight through and then through digital converters at 16/44.1, 20bit SBM/44.1, 24/96 and 24/192 and it was easy to hear the degradation from 16/44.1 and the return to &quot;analog-like&quot; sound as the bit depth and sampling rates were increased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;double blind&#8221; listening tests designed to &#8220;prove&#8221; that 16/44.1 is transparent have an agenda. There are people at AES with that same agenda. I once participated in a double blind amplifier test since there are boneheads who insist that all amplifiers that measure the same, sound the same. I scored 5 of 5 correct identifications. My editor at Stereophile got 4 of 5 correct. The average listener at the event couldn&#8217;t distinguish them, proving to me that they lacked the experience to perform well in such tests or were simply poor listeners. Instead of drawing that conclusion, Dr. Stanley Lipschitz insisted that I was a &#8220;lucky coin&#8221; and my performance was tossed out. What a joke! I&#8217;ve done non-blind listening tests with people who insisted that CDs sounded better than vinyl and when all was said and done they agreed that vinyl sounds much better, much more natural, much more realistic and far more emotionally involving. Period. Good electronics extend well beyond 20Khz. The issue isn&#8217;t whether or not you can hear that high. The issue is the harmonic structure of instruments that certain extends beyond our hearing and &#8220;beats&#8221; back into frequencies we can hear. When you cut them off sharply and artificially as 44.1K/16 bit audio does, the brain is not fooled even if the person is. I don&#8217;t know what the AES test consisted of, but I was involved in demo with soundtrack engineer Shawn Murphy who played some analog master tapes straight through and then through digital converters at 16/44.1, 20bit SBM/44.1, 24/96 and 24/192 and it was easy to hear the degradation from 16/44.1 and the return to &#8220;analog-like&#8221; sound as the bit depth and sampling rates were increased.</p>
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