Comments on: Scrum: good but not that good

By: Floyd Marinescu

Floyd Marinescu — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:55:19 +0000

@John A Thomson: John, I think Tim was referring to Jeff’s session in the conference about google, NOT to the 2 day CSM course that happened within Qcon’s tutorials BEFORE the conference.

By: e

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:10:34 +0000

I remember Sutherland argue that scrum cant fail because its a ‘framework’. People often think this is the same as saying “scrum will always be right”. Its not. The adaption part of scrum is key – if something dosnt work – try antoher way.
(e, CSM)

By: Tim

Tim — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:43:51 +0000

> Very sad indeed that this session looks to have been such a loser.

It was not that bad I got the impression that most delegates were more than happy with it. I’m just a bit allergic to this style of presentation.

> Scrum is actually a incremental, iterative framework
> rather than a process

Perhaps more to do with not wanting to use 3 words where one will almost do. Thanks for the clarification though.

Tim

By: John A Thomson

John A Thomson — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:33:29 +0000

As a CSM (Certified Scrum Master) it makes me very sad to hear you say it was a sales pitch for Scrum.

Consider that it takes a two day course to fully be fully trained and to understand it. It is even mentioned in the course that Scrum isn’t a silver bullet. I’ve seen Ken Schwaber doing a two hour session on just Scrum without all the marketing BS and it gives a flavour of what is involved but still leaves vast implementation voids. Actually, this was probably a great marketing session for Scrum without it looking like marketing!

Scrum is excellent in delivering projects to market, but there are gotchas and it doesn’t necessarily work in every environment.

Other methodologies such as eXtreme Programming can be easily made to work with Scrum and many teams do so.

Scrum is actually a incremental, iterative framework rather than a process. So there is another fundamental point that you haven’t got from the presentation. Very sad indeed that this session looks to have been such a loser.