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	<title>Comments on: Morgan Stanley: why we didn&#8217;t use Silverlight for Matrix</title>
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		<title>By: Arch</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1655-morgan-stanley-why-we-didnt-use-silverlight-for-matrix.html/comment-page-1#comment-171782</link>
		<dc:creator>Arch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing how much weight is put on a 30 second download. The download of silverlight (or flash) plugin is a non-issue. But if this is the only lifesaver the flash folks can hang on to, I guess they will... for dear life. Take a look at the job reqs on dice.com, etc. The number of Silverlight positions are going through the roof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how much weight is put on a 30 second download. The download of silverlight (or flash) plugin is a non-issue. But if this is the only lifesaver the flash folks can hang on to, I guess they will&#8230; for dear life. Take a look at the job reqs on dice.com, etc. The number of Silverlight positions are going through the roof.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1655-morgan-stanley-why-we-didnt-use-silverlight-for-matrix.html/comment-page-1#comment-164102</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at Morgan when they were developing this, and I have to say it&#039;s amazing, but the irony is that most banks and other large financial companies don&#039;t support Flash at all. I&#039;m on IE6 as I write this. I&#039;m not an expert like the ones on this site, but it seems to me that .NET can do a lot of the same stuff without any dependency on web browsers -- wouldn&#039;t that be better for enterprise technology like this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at Morgan when they were developing this, and I have to say it&#8217;s amazing, but the irony is that most banks and other large financial companies don&#8217;t support Flash at all. I&#8217;m on IE6 as I write this. I&#8217;m not an expert like the ones on this site, but it seems to me that .NET can do a lot of the same stuff without any dependency on web browsers &#8212; wouldn&#8217;t that be better for enterprise technology like this?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Lesser</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1655-morgan-stanley-why-we-didnt-use-silverlight-for-matrix.html/comment-page-1#comment-138938</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Lesser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Craig,

I don&#039;t believe the comparison between Flash/Flex and Silverlight is so simple. 

While the browser installation rate is critically important for many applications it is not always so important in organizations that control the desktop AND are primarily .Net shops. Similarly, some organizations will always be less risk averse if there is something else driving them to use Silverlight. 

On technology and development tools there are still things you can do with Flash 10 that you cannot do with Silverlight 3 including sophisticated text flow, peer-to-peer data, audio, and video transfer, and local audio and video capture. On the other hand Silverlight&#039;s raw code execution performance is clearly better. So things aren&#039;t really so simple. Tools for developing entire projects - including things like Flash, Flex framework, Flash Catalyst, Flash Building, CS4 and so on - again its not so simple.

Of course both Adobe and Microsoft continue to improve their products so that what seems true today is certain to change next year and the year after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Craig,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe the comparison between Flash/Flex and Silverlight is so simple. </p>
<p>While the browser installation rate is critically important for many applications it is not always so important in organizations that control the desktop AND are primarily .Net shops. Similarly, some organizations will always be less risk averse if there is something else driving them to use Silverlight. </p>
<p>On technology and development tools there are still things you can do with Flash 10 that you cannot do with Silverlight 3 including sophisticated text flow, peer-to-peer data, audio, and video transfer, and local audio and video capture. On the other hand Silverlight&#8217;s raw code execution performance is clearly better. So things aren&#8217;t really so simple. Tools for developing entire projects &#8211; including things like Flash, Flex framework, Flash Catalyst, Flash Building, CS4 and so on &#8211; again its not so simple.</p>
<p>Of course both Adobe and Microsoft continue to improve their products so that what seems true today is certain to change next year and the year after.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comparison between Flex and Silverlight is pretty simple.

Flex benefits: Almost all browsers have flash installed.

Silverlight benefits: Vastly superior technology and development tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comparison between Flex and Silverlight is pretty simple.</p>
<p>Flex benefits: Almost all browsers have flash installed.</p>
<p>Silverlight benefits: Vastly superior technology and development tools.</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde Davies</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1655-morgan-stanley-why-we-didnt-use-silverlight-for-matrix.html/comment-page-1#comment-138878</link>
		<dc:creator>Clyde Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Then how come TVs could ever beat Radios some decades ago given that Radios had 100% of penetration rate back then while TVs started out from 0% and cost lot more? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

A better question might be to ask why DAB Radio has been such a miserable failure compared to analogue radio, given its manifest improvements in quality and technical advantages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Then how come TVs could ever beat Radios some decades ago given that Radios had 100% of penetration rate back then while TVs started out from 0% and cost lot more? </p></blockquote>
<p>A better question might be to ask why DAB Radio has been such a miserable failure compared to analogue radio, given its manifest improvements in quality and technical advantages?</p>
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		<title>By: junihor</title>
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		<dc:creator>junihor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The unfortunate problem Microsoft faces in the RIA space is that technological superiority – code quality, reliability, maintainability, size, performance, etc – is basically worthless.&quot;

Then how come TVs could ever beat Radios some decades ago given that Radios had 100% of penetration rate back then while TVs started out from 0% and cost lot more? If you only count on penetration rate to fend off SilverLight, good luck. I don&#039;t think every browser comes with a PDF plugin in it yet it hasn&#039;t stop people from installing one and reading the PDF files online, has it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The unfortunate problem Microsoft faces in the RIA space is that technological superiority – code quality, reliability, maintainability, size, performance, etc – is basically worthless.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then how come TVs could ever beat Radios some decades ago given that Radios had 100% of penetration rate back then while TVs started out from 0% and cost lot more? If you only count on penetration rate to fend off SilverLight, good luck. I don&#8217;t think every browser comes with a PDF plugin in it yet it hasn&#8217;t stop people from installing one and reading the PDF files online, has it?</p>
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		<title>By: John Allwright</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Allwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies, this is the Evans Data report I was referring to http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/310280/microsoft_silverlight_gathers_steam_asia?fp=2&amp;fpid=1&amp;rid=1

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies, this is the Evans Data report I was referring to <a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/310280/microsoft_silverlight_gathers_steam_asia?fp=2&amp;fpid=1&amp;rid=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/310280/microsoft_silverlight_gathers_steam_asia?fp=2&amp;fpid=1&amp;rid=1</a></p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: John Allwright</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1655-morgan-stanley-why-we-didnt-use-silverlight-for-matrix.html/comment-page-1#comment-138782</link>
		<dc:creator>John Allwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Evans Data report is referenced in quote a few articles - here&#039;s one : http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Silverlight-Adoption-Expected-to-Triple/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Evans Data report is referenced in quote a few articles &#8211; here&#8217;s one : <a href="http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Silverlight-Adoption-Expected-to-Triple/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Silverlight-Adoption-Expected-to-Triple/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Gadd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Gadd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The unfortunate problem Microsoft faces in the RIA space is that technological superiority - code quality, reliability, maintainability, size, performance, etc - is basically worthless.

For most customers evaluating Flex and Silverlight side-by-side, all of Silverlight&#039;s strong points don&#039;t matter because 98% of their customers have Flash and 5-15% at most will have Silverlight. Even Flex/Flash&#039;s numerous crippling flaws and design mistakes can&#039;t outweigh the fact that everyone has it installed.

As mentioned in the post, ultimately the only way for MS to overcome this is to get Silverlight installed on more machines and incentivize people to use it to create more content.

Offering a competitive feature set is a start, but I suspect they may need to go further and start distributing the plugin via Windows Update. No doubt that would draw antitrust complaints from numerous tinfoil hat wearers, but it&#039;s probably the only way for them to start gaining market share rapidly enough to present a threat to Flash.

Honestly, even if doing that required that they also deploy updated versions of Flash Player for &#039;fairness&#039; it would probably still be a worthwhile business decision in order to establish a level playing field. 

Adobe&#039;s recent track record with Flash and Acrobat clearly demonstrates that they could take a nap for 5 years like Microsoft did with IE, or even actively sabotage the quality of their own product and still hold on to the majority of their marketshare due to inertia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unfortunate problem Microsoft faces in the RIA space is that technological superiority &#8211; code quality, reliability, maintainability, size, performance, etc &#8211; is basically worthless.</p>
<p>For most customers evaluating Flex and Silverlight side-by-side, all of Silverlight&#8217;s strong points don&#8217;t matter because 98% of their customers have Flash and 5-15% at most will have Silverlight. Even Flex/Flash&#8217;s numerous crippling flaws and design mistakes can&#8217;t outweigh the fact that everyone has it installed.</p>
<p>As mentioned in the post, ultimately the only way for MS to overcome this is to get Silverlight installed on more machines and incentivize people to use it to create more content.</p>
<p>Offering a competitive feature set is a start, but I suspect they may need to go further and start distributing the plugin via Windows Update. No doubt that would draw antitrust complaints from numerous tinfoil hat wearers, but it&#8217;s probably the only way for them to start gaining market share rapidly enough to present a threat to Flash.</p>
<p>Honestly, even if doing that required that they also deploy updated versions of Flash Player for &#8216;fairness&#8217; it would probably still be a worthwhile business decision in order to establish a level playing field. </p>
<p>Adobe&#8217;s recent track record with Flash and Acrobat clearly demonstrates that they could take a nap for 5 years like Microsoft did with IE, or even actively sabotage the quality of their own product and still hold on to the majority of their marketshare due to inertia.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Darren, sorry forgot to include link re: Flash 10 dev in Flex 3 - 
http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Targeting+Flash+Player+10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Darren, sorry forgot to include link re: Flash 10 dev in Flex 3 &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Targeting+Flash+Player+10" rel="nofollow">http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Targeting+Flash+Player+10</a></p>
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