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		<title>By: Matyas Angyal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matyas Angyal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Everyone! I think the Windows Seven&#039;s taskbar is very useful and its more than it looks! However the scrollbar is looks scary, it contains ever solutions of our problems. If our taskbar is full of opened apps or docs, we can simply drag &amp; move down it (I usually use vertical taskbar on the right [1280x800]), than it provide the place for the next app (or anything which is in the taskbar&#039;s second page [first place]). I know thats longer to find the required app in this case if theres a lots of apps on it (maybe more than 25), but if you have a larger resolution on your display you can pick more and more useful apps on your amazing glossy taskbar :)

ps: sorry for my poor English :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone! I think the Windows Seven&#8217;s taskbar is very useful and its more than it looks! However the scrollbar is looks scary, it contains ever solutions of our problems. If our taskbar is full of opened apps or docs, we can simply drag &amp; move down it (I usually use vertical taskbar on the right [1280x800]), than it provide the place for the next app (or anything which is in the taskbar&#8217;s second page [first place]). I know thats longer to find the required app in this case if theres a lots of apps on it (maybe more than 25), but if you have a larger resolution on your display you can pick more and more useful apps on your amazing glossy taskbar <img src='http://www.itwriting.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>ps: sorry for my poor English <img src='http://www.itwriting.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: GK</title>
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		<dc:creator>GK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 04:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were you able to find a way to disable scrolling in the taskbar? I just migrated to Windows 7. I&#039;d prefer the tasks sizes on the toolbar to shrink in size as more tasks are added like in Win XP. If you found a solution, please ping me at gkumar [a.t.] gmail [d.o.t] com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were you able to find a way to disable scrolling in the taskbar? I just migrated to Windows 7. I&#8217;d prefer the tasks sizes on the toolbar to shrink in size as more tasks are added like in Win XP. If you found a solution, please ping me at gkumar [a.t.] gmail [d.o.t] com</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bert Coules:

No, or not easily.  That setting is built into the themes, specifically the aero styles, and in the infinite wisdom of Microsoft, they don&#039;t let you modify it without hacks (see below).

I had to go through a lot of crap to fix it so that the tasks in my vertical taskbar were not the default over-sized buttons fit only for chubby fingers on kiosk touchscreens.  It wouldn&#039;t be (such) a problem if that &quot;Superbar,&quot; or whatever they call it, allowed multiple columns in vertical mode.  As such, I had to modify the height of those tasks so they were at their minimum to allow as many tasks as possible to be visible.  Even that&#039;s not enough.  

If you want to apply such mods you need an Aero style builder.  The best one I&#039;ve found is Ave&#039;s Vista Style Builder.  

If you want to apply the taskbar task-size mod I mentioned using that program, you need to install UxStyle Core, and then modify the taskbar setting under Windows 7 -&gt; Taskbar &amp; Tray Notify -&gt; Basic -&gt; Taskbar Vertical -&gt; TaskItemButton (top-link) -&gt; ContentMargins:Margins = 10,10,x,x where x is a smaller value than the default 7.  There are probably other settings for the changes you want too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bert Coules:</p>
<p>No, or not easily.  That setting is built into the themes, specifically the aero styles, and in the infinite wisdom of Microsoft, they don&#8217;t let you modify it without hacks (see below).</p>
<p>I had to go through a lot of crap to fix it so that the tasks in my vertical taskbar were not the default over-sized buttons fit only for chubby fingers on kiosk touchscreens.  It wouldn&#8217;t be (such) a problem if that &#8220;Superbar,&#8221; or whatever they call it, allowed multiple columns in vertical mode.  As such, I had to modify the height of those tasks so they were at their minimum to allow as many tasks as possible to be visible.  Even that&#8217;s not enough.  </p>
<p>If you want to apply such mods you need an Aero style builder.  The best one I&#8217;ve found is Ave&#8217;s Vista Style Builder.  </p>
<p>If you want to apply the taskbar task-size mod I mentioned using that program, you need to install UxStyle Core, and then modify the taskbar setting under Windows 7 -&gt; Taskbar &amp; Tray Notify -&gt; Basic -&gt; Taskbar Vertical -&gt; TaskItemButton (top-link) -&gt; ContentMargins:Margins = 10,10,x,x where x is a smaller value than the default 7.  There are probably other settings for the changes you want too.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Coules</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1720-getting-picky-about-the-windows-7-taskbar-real-world-flaws.html/comment-page-1#comment-324590</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert Coules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to resurrect this discussion but it seems relevant to a question I can&#039;t find answered anywhere else:

Is it possible to increase the size of the Windows 7 taskbar in small increments, in the same way as you can adjust the title bars of windows with Window Color and Appearance?

Many thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to resurrect this discussion but it seems relevant to a question I can&#8217;t find answered anywhere else:</p>
<p>Is it possible to increase the size of the Windows 7 taskbar in small increments, in the same way as you can adjust the title bars of windows with Window Color and Appearance?</p>
<p>Many thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This issue would largely go away if Microsoft would adobt a taskbar equivelant to the one used in GNOME -- of course this has it&#039;s own problems, but at least it&#039;s not cluttered, if you combined it with multiple virtual desktops (another feature sorely missing in Windows -- yes there are third party apps that does the same). The only thing I&#039;m missing the GNOME&#039;s taskbar is good support for side-docking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue would largely go away if Microsoft would adobt a taskbar equivelant to the one used in GNOME &#8212; of course this has it&#8217;s own problems, but at least it&#8217;s not cluttered, if you combined it with multiple virtual desktops (another feature sorely missing in Windows &#8212; yes there are third party apps that does the same). The only thing I&#8217;m missing the GNOME&#8217;s taskbar is good support for side-docking.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people who use computers heavily at work still use the &quot;classic&quot; look, even in Windows 7. This is because it is the most simple, minimalist design with the least wasted space. Other than a bit more sparkle, there is no added usability to the new Windows 7 look -- in fact I find it annoying. I don&#039;t see how a transparent border around my browser window enhances my user experience. And if you work fast, you will notice the Aero slowing everything down (even on a new top of the line PC).

In this case you would use the same taskbar that Windows has used for years (settings: use small icons and only combine taskbar buttons when taskbar is full), which suites the usage of a PC better than the mac style. I still dock a few frequently used items (Outlook, browser, etc) to access using &quot;Win+1&quot;, &quot;Win+2&quot;, etc. but not more. Why would you dock so many programs with such an easy to use start menu to launch programs? You may find that more aesthetically appealing but it&#039;s definitely not more efficient in any way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people who use computers heavily at work still use the &#8220;classic&#8221; look, even in Windows 7. This is because it is the most simple, minimalist design with the least wasted space. Other than a bit more sparkle, there is no added usability to the new Windows 7 look &#8212; in fact I find it annoying. I don&#8217;t see how a transparent border around my browser window enhances my user experience. And if you work fast, you will notice the Aero slowing everything down (even on a new top of the line PC).</p>
<p>In this case you would use the same taskbar that Windows has used for years (settings: use small icons and only combine taskbar buttons when taskbar is full), which suites the usage of a PC better than the mac style. I still dock a few frequently used items (Outlook, browser, etc) to access using &#8220;Win+1&#8243;, &#8220;Win+2&#8243;, etc. but not more. Why would you dock so many programs with such an easy to use start menu to launch programs? You may find that more aesthetically appealing but it&#8217;s definitely not more efficient in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: Bucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe vertical taskbar cannot display multiple columns, especially since that feature existed in XP. Isn&#039;t there some third party utility that can do this? Please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe vertical taskbar cannot display multiple columns, especially since that feature existed in XP. Isn&#8217;t there some third party utility that can do this? Please!</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mac users, we&#039;re talking about the taskbar here, not a dock.  To put this into terms you can understand, the tasks allow us to switch between documents and other media quickly and easily, not just apps.  It&#039;s like the &quot;window&quot; menu that your apps have, or tabs, only at a global level.  This kind of fast application viewing and switching has only recently been added to the dock and other tools on OSX, and expose is also another one of those types of programs, albeit limited.

Why would this be useful?  Quickly switching between apps and their data without fishing through menus.  At a glance one can switch to a document without having to first click to the app, then go to the window menu to select which one we want to use.  I never liked the dock either, and the need to hold down the button to switch to whatever window happened to be on the icon.

Mac OS&#039;s interface is designed foremost as a single-app/task OS.  This is why one app takes control of a menu at the top of the screen, rather than attached to a window, like in Windows.  Windows is different. It&#039;s designed such that you switch between apps, or use multiple apps at once.  You can use multiple apps at once on a Mac as well, but your attention is focused on the primary app, and to do anything with the secondary one, you have to switch it to the front and manipulate the menus.

Many of you speak of Windows being just full of superfluous apps and such.  Rather, Windows users can and do install many apps for our needs and purposes.  If you&#039;re content to use a computer just for email and web, and maybe a little word processing, that&#039;s great.  There are, however, some of us that use our machines for far more, and simultaneously.  I, for one, don&#039;t want to waste my time opening and closing applications on my system; I just leave them running in the background.  If it takes up space in the taskbar, or start menu, so what?  It&#039;s hidden from view and out of my way.  I&#039;ve also seen very &quot;cluttered&quot; OSX docks, because the user likes to have many applications available at the same time.  Good for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mac users, we&#8217;re talking about the taskbar here, not a dock.  To put this into terms you can understand, the tasks allow us to switch between documents and other media quickly and easily, not just apps.  It&#8217;s like the &#8220;window&#8221; menu that your apps have, or tabs, only at a global level.  This kind of fast application viewing and switching has only recently been added to the dock and other tools on OSX, and expose is also another one of those types of programs, albeit limited.</p>
<p>Why would this be useful?  Quickly switching between apps and their data without fishing through menus.  At a glance one can switch to a document without having to first click to the app, then go to the window menu to select which one we want to use.  I never liked the dock either, and the need to hold down the button to switch to whatever window happened to be on the icon.</p>
<p>Mac OS&#8217;s interface is designed foremost as a single-app/task OS.  This is why one app takes control of a menu at the top of the screen, rather than attached to a window, like in Windows.  Windows is different. It&#8217;s designed such that you switch between apps, or use multiple apps at once.  You can use multiple apps at once on a Mac as well, but your attention is focused on the primary app, and to do anything with the secondary one, you have to switch it to the front and manipulate the menus.</p>
<p>Many of you speak of Windows being just full of superfluous apps and such.  Rather, Windows users can and do install many apps for our needs and purposes.  If you&#8217;re content to use a computer just for email and web, and maybe a little word processing, that&#8217;s great.  There are, however, some of us that use our machines for far more, and simultaneously.  I, for one, don&#8217;t want to waste my time opening and closing applications on my system; I just leave them running in the background.  If it takes up space in the taskbar, or start menu, so what?  It&#8217;s hidden from view and out of my way.  I&#8217;ve also seen very &#8220;cluttered&#8221; OSX docks, because the user likes to have many applications available at the same time.  Good for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s funny that several folks, including a Mac user, propose that the solution is that we change our habits. I&#039;m glad you guys aren&#039;t in charge of UI design anywhere important.

I too find it extremely annoying that the taskbar, when side-docked, does not allow multiple columns. This is the most logical place to put it on a widescreen monitor, but its usefulness is several hampered by this oversight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s funny that several folks, including a Mac user, propose that the solution is that we change our habits. I&#8217;m glad you guys aren&#8217;t in charge of UI design anywhere important.</p>
<p>I too find it extremely annoying that the taskbar, when side-docked, does not allow multiple columns. This is the most logical place to put it on a widescreen monitor, but its usefulness is several hampered by this oversight.</p>
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		<title>By: FvB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FvB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That problem is driving me nuts. While still using XP I got used to actually having 3 rows at the bottom, one was the normal taskbar with active tasks and two were for two seperate sets of programs (and both were almost full, although I admit I only needed like 70% of them regularly).

In Windows 7 you spare some icons by using the jump lists (like I don&#039;t have links for 3 folders anymore, just one for the explorer) although you can&#039;t access them as quickly.
I don&#039;t put anything one the desktop because the quicklaunch was quicker(!) AND looked much better. The start menu is completely out of the question for me for regular programs because it&#039;s too complicated, let alone the search programs feature.

But so far so good. The trouble starts now with my now widescreen monitor. Because now I want to put the taskbar to the side to save room and immediately it&#039;s full and forces me to use the horrible scroll bar. Especially horrible because you have most programs on the first column and unpinned programs will always go to the second colum.
Apparently I can&#039;t even put additional toolbars as columns next to it, they all go below each other. That&#039;s really bad design.

I guess most people don&#039;t realize the problem here but if you are used to accessing all your programs with one click, and using jumplists seems slow to you, then using that scroll bar drives you nuts.
Not to mention the lost overview because you only see some of your running applications.


ps: The advice to use fewer programs isn&#039;t very helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That problem is driving me nuts. While still using XP I got used to actually having 3 rows at the bottom, one was the normal taskbar with active tasks and two were for two seperate sets of programs (and both were almost full, although I admit I only needed like 70% of them regularly).</p>
<p>In Windows 7 you spare some icons by using the jump lists (like I don&#8217;t have links for 3 folders anymore, just one for the explorer) although you can&#8217;t access them as quickly.<br />
I don&#8217;t put anything one the desktop because the quicklaunch was quicker(!) AND looked much better. The start menu is completely out of the question for me for regular programs because it&#8217;s too complicated, let alone the search programs feature.</p>
<p>But so far so good. The trouble starts now with my now widescreen monitor. Because now I want to put the taskbar to the side to save room and immediately it&#8217;s full and forces me to use the horrible scroll bar. Especially horrible because you have most programs on the first column and unpinned programs will always go to the second colum.<br />
Apparently I can&#8217;t even put additional toolbars as columns next to it, they all go below each other. That&#8217;s really bad design.</p>
<p>I guess most people don&#8217;t realize the problem here but if you are used to accessing all your programs with one click, and using jumplists seems slow to you, then using that scroll bar drives you nuts.<br />
Not to mention the lost overview because you only see some of your running applications.</p>
<p>ps: The advice to use fewer programs isn&#8217;t very helpful.</p>
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