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	<title>Comments on: Silverlight 4 ticks all the boxes, questions remain</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1967-silverlight-4-ticks-all-the-boxes-questions-remain.html/comment-page-1#comment-149952</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike Windows users, Linux users are forced to use Windows all the time due to the stupidity of monopoly lockin and to support our customers who - unfortunately - exist in a Microsoft-dominated computing world. 

We Linux users know what Windows can (and can&#039;t) do. For a Windows user to say Linux sleeps with the fishes means that s/he hasn&#039;t tried it. Most of Windows 7&#039;s &quot;innovations&quot; have been part of Linux desktop UI for years.  

Clearly, MS just want to try to head off the convergence around around SVG (we&#039;re developing shit-hot UIs with SVG and Canvas right now), currently supported out-of-the-box by all major browsers (not counting IE in that, of course) and Adobe&#039;s Flash. 

This is a control issue, pure and simple. There are certainly good ideas within Silverlight (with the amount of resources poured into it, I&#039;d hope so!), but if Microsoft was anything other than a predatory monopoly trying to screw its users/developers, why wouldn&#039;t it contribute to the existing market leaders? Like IE 7+, Silverlight is another unnecessary &quot;Me too!&quot; technology that succeed based purely on inertia - they&#039;re otherwise unworthy of hype - its handful of innovations could be put into something *truly* cross platform and open standards based, that all developers could get behind. 

I think it&#039;s hard for MS to justify trying to introduce any Windows-only tech these days - anything they&#039;ve introduced is an unacceptable compromise of everyone&#039;s freedom, and their bet-hedging that Windows will not longer be the dominant platform in a few years time. Given the huge percentage of desktop development that&#039;s explicitly cross-platform these days (yes, targeting Linux, too), MS&#039;s future domination of the desktop isn&#039;t something my business would bet on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike Windows users, Linux users are forced to use Windows all the time due to the stupidity of monopoly lockin and to support our customers who &#8211; unfortunately &#8211; exist in a Microsoft-dominated computing world. </p>
<p>We Linux users know what Windows can (and can&#8217;t) do. For a Windows user to say Linux sleeps with the fishes means that s/he hasn&#8217;t tried it. Most of Windows 7&#8242;s &#8220;innovations&#8221; have been part of Linux desktop UI for years.  </p>
<p>Clearly, MS just want to try to head off the convergence around around SVG (we&#8217;re developing shit-hot UIs with SVG and Canvas right now), currently supported out-of-the-box by all major browsers (not counting IE in that, of course) and Adobe&#8217;s Flash. </p>
<p>This is a control issue, pure and simple. There are certainly good ideas within Silverlight (with the amount of resources poured into it, I&#8217;d hope so!), but if Microsoft was anything other than a predatory monopoly trying to screw its users/developers, why wouldn&#8217;t it contribute to the existing market leaders? Like IE 7+, Silverlight is another unnecessary &#8220;Me too!&#8221; technology that succeed based purely on inertia &#8211; they&#8217;re otherwise unworthy of hype &#8211; its handful of innovations could be put into something *truly* cross platform and open standards based, that all developers could get behind. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s hard for MS to justify trying to introduce any Windows-only tech these days &#8211; anything they&#8217;ve introduced is an unacceptable compromise of everyone&#8217;s freedom, and their bet-hedging that Windows will not longer be the dominant platform in a few years time. Given the huge percentage of desktop development that&#8217;s explicitly cross-platform these days (yes, targeting Linux, too), MS&#8217;s future domination of the desktop isn&#8217;t something my business would bet on.</p>
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		<title>By: junihor</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1967-silverlight-4-ticks-all-the-boxes-questions-remain.html/comment-page-1#comment-149950</link>
		<dc:creator>junihor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As a Linux user and developer, why would I even consider Silverlight for a second&quot;

Let&#039;s face it: Client side Linux sleeps w/ fishes. It&#039;s not like you have got a ton of Linux desktop users out there warranting the effort to develop a SilverLight for Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As a Linux user and developer, why would I even consider Silverlight for a second&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it: Client side Linux sleeps w/ fishes. It&#8217;s not like you have got a ton of Linux desktop users out there warranting the effort to develop a SilverLight for Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: Open-source-closed-eyes</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1967-silverlight-4-ticks-all-the-boxes-questions-remain.html/comment-page-1#comment-149930</link>
		<dc:creator>Open-source-closed-eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, he was obviously talking to WPF windows programmers. Do you Linux guys ALWAYS have to pick a fight? 

Silverlight is solving real problems for many of us. SVG? Are you kidding me? We&#039;re talking about sophisticated apps with better-than-desktop UI capabilities, not cute little vector graphics. Why don&#039;t you actually investigate it and see what it can do before you judge it? I don&#039;t understand why many open-source advocates (an I am one) are so willing to throw the baby out with the bath water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, he was obviously talking to WPF windows programmers. Do you Linux guys ALWAYS have to pick a fight? </p>
<p>Silverlight is solving real problems for many of us. SVG? Are you kidding me? We&#8217;re talking about sophisticated apps with better-than-desktop UI capabilities, not cute little vector graphics. Why don&#8217;t you actually investigate it and see what it can do before you judge it? I don&#8217;t understand why many open-source advocates (an I am one) are so willing to throw the baby out with the bath water.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1967-silverlight-4-ticks-all-the-boxes-questions-remain.html/comment-page-1#comment-149898</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Why would anyone develop for WPF and Windows, if good enough features, cross-platform, and zero install is available through Silverlight?

Silverlight is cross-platform. That means there are going to be a log of Windows-specific features that you just won&#039;t have access to. Even the COM support won&#039;t necessarily help, as it requires the COM components to already be on the machine and registered.

A perfect example of this is the Visual Studio and Expression Studio products. Silverlight just isn&#039;t designed to support such large, invasive applications. We also aren’t seeing features like file associations, let alone jump lists.

That said, I suspect that many applications are going to fall into the gray zone between WPF and Silverlight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Why would anyone develop for WPF and Windows, if good enough features, cross-platform, and zero install is available through Silverlight?</p>
<p>Silverlight is cross-platform. That means there are going to be a log of Windows-specific features that you just won&#8217;t have access to. Even the COM support won&#8217;t necessarily help, as it requires the COM components to already be on the machine and registered.</p>
<p>A perfect example of this is the Visual Studio and Expression Studio products. Silverlight just isn&#8217;t designed to support such large, invasive applications. We also aren’t seeing features like file associations, let alone jump lists.</p>
<p>That said, I suspect that many applications are going to fall into the gray zone between WPF and Silverlight.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1967-silverlight-4-ticks-all-the-boxes-questions-remain.html/comment-page-1#comment-149853</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, above that should&#039;ve said &quot;why choose to be locked in to MS technologies?&quot;.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, above that should&#8217;ve said &#8220;why choose to be locked in to MS technologies?&#8221;.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/1967-silverlight-4-ticks-all-the-boxes-questions-remain.html/comment-page-1#comment-149852</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Linux user and developer, why would I even consider Silverlight for a second? It&#039;s non-standard, breaks cross-platform compatibility, and it&#039;s undoubtedly under multiple MS patents. Given that great open standard alternatives (e.g. SVG) exist that are actually cross platform and are unencumbered by patents, I can&#039;t think of any benefits whatsoever  choose lock-in to MS technologies... 

Perhaps you can suggest something that I have clearly missed about it&#039;s appeal?

Dave (@lightweight)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Linux user and developer, why would I even consider Silverlight for a second? It&#8217;s non-standard, breaks cross-platform compatibility, and it&#8217;s undoubtedly under multiple MS patents. Given that great open standard alternatives (e.g. SVG) exist that are actually cross platform and are unencumbered by patents, I can&#8217;t think of any benefits whatsoever  choose lock-in to MS technologies&#8230; </p>
<p>Perhaps you can suggest something that I have clearly missed about it&#8217;s appeal?</p>
<p>Dave (@lightweight)</p>
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