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	<title>Comments on: Unanswered question: how&#8217;s Vista&#8217;s real-world security compared to XP?</title>
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		<title>By: Clyde Davies</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/463-unanswered-question-hows-vistas-real-world-security-compared-to-xp.html/comment-page-1#comment-78277</link>
		<dc:creator>Clyde Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only speak from personal experience, but I&#039;ve had this Vista machine for about a year now, and there was only one piece of malware that got past the built-in system and IE security measures.  This was something called Malware Crusher that tried to download a few days ago.  I was running Norton which detected it as Downloader.MisleadApp and blocked it.  Otherwise, absolutely bugger-all has got through.  I&#039;m rather pleased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only speak from personal experience, but I&#8217;ve had this Vista machine for about a year now, and there was only one piece of malware that got past the built-in system and IE security measures.  This was something called Malware Crusher that tried to download a few days ago.  I was running Norton which detected it as Downloader.MisleadApp and blocked it.  Otherwise, absolutely bugger-all has got through.  I&#8217;m rather pleased.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin McDaniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin McDaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,
Still off target but I wonder if you have seen the report here: http://blogs.technet.com/security/archive/2008/01/23/download-windows-vista-one-year-vulnerability-report.aspx
by Jeff Jones.  I&#039;ve pinged him back with your questions to see if he can shed some more light for you.

Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,<br />
Still off target but I wonder if you have seen the report here: <a href="http://blogs.technet.com/security/archive/2008/01/23/download-windows-vista-one-year-vulnerability-report.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.technet.com/security/archive/2008/01/23/download-windows-vista-one-year-vulnerability-report.aspx</a><br />
by Jeff Jones.  I&#8217;ve pinged him back with your questions to see if he can shed some more light for you.</p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin

Thanks for the link, it&#039;s an interesting report.

I don&#039;t think it helps all that much with the question though. It covers Jan-June 07 which is early days for Vista. It&#039;s also hard to know why infection rates were lower; there could be a variety of reasons. I&#039;d also really like to drill down and analyze the reasons machines were infected, which seems beyond the scope of the report.

I guess I&#039;ll have to be patient.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin</p>
<p>Thanks for the link, it&#8217;s an interesting report.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it helps all that much with the question though. It covers Jan-June 07 which is early days for Vista. It&#8217;s also hard to know why infection rates were lower; there could be a variety of reasons. I&#8217;d also really like to drill down and analyze the reasons machines were infected, which seems beyond the scope of the report.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;ll have to be patient.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin McDaniel</title>
		<link>http://www.itwriting.com/blog/463-unanswered-question-hows-vistas-real-world-security-compared-to-xp.html/comment-page-1#comment-58118</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin McDaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

Up front:  I work for Microsoft in the UK; am not a security expert but am interested in software development overall.

You may have already seen this article: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/942698
which links to a webcast/presentation that the US security team released in November.

Amongst lots of data that is collected through the Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) and the One Care products, they report
&quot;The MSRT cleaned malware from 60 percent fewer Windows Vista® computers than Windows XP SP2 computers (normalized) and The MSRT cleaned malware from 91.5 percent fewer Windows Vista computers than from computers running Windows XP without any service pack installed&quot;

There is other data in the deck which suggests that less &quot;unwanted&quot; software gets installed on Windows Vista than XP SP2 and we believe that UAC is one factor in that reduction but I understand that we can&#039;t prove it from the data currently collected.

The presentation also includes several general references to trends in security and I was struck by the high ratio of application to OS vulnerabilities - a topic I don&#039;t see too much discussion of ...

I&#039;d welcome your thoughts on the report and its value, let me know if there is more help I give you.

Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>Up front:  I work for Microsoft in the UK; am not a security expert but am interested in software development overall.</p>
<p>You may have already seen this article: <a href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/942698" rel="nofollow">http://support.microsoft.com/kb/942698</a><br />
which links to a webcast/presentation that the US security team released in November.</p>
<p>Amongst lots of data that is collected through the Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) and the One Care products, they report<br />
&#8220;The MSRT cleaned malware from 60 percent fewer Windows Vista® computers than Windows XP SP2 computers (normalized) and The MSRT cleaned malware from 91.5 percent fewer Windows Vista computers than from computers running Windows XP without any service pack installed&#8221;</p>
<p>There is other data in the deck which suggests that less &#8220;unwanted&#8221; software gets installed on Windows Vista than XP SP2 and we believe that UAC is one factor in that reduction but I understand that we can&#8217;t prove it from the data currently collected.</p>
<p>The presentation also includes several general references to trends in security and I was struck by the high ratio of application to OS vulnerabilities &#8211; a topic I don&#8217;t see too much discussion of &#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d welcome your thoughts on the report and its value, let me know if there is more help I give you.</p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

Stephane Rodriguez is a well known troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>Stephane Rodriguez is a well known troll.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
100% skewed figures given the content of the blog.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
OK, try &lt;a href=&quot;http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Vista 10.48% share. 100% skewed?

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
100% skewed figures given the content of the blog.
</p></blockquote>
<p>OK, try <a href="http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Vista 10.48% share. 100% skewed?</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Stephane Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephane Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So are you saying that Vista is secure, albeit because of limited use?&quot;

No. I said Vista is not a target yet, so it&#039;s impossible to answer.


&quot;Windows Vista: 15%&quot;

100% skewed figures given the content of the blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So are you saying that Vista is secure, albeit because of limited use?&#8221;</p>
<p>No. I said Vista is not a target yet, so it&#8217;s impossible to answer.</p>
<p>&#8220;Windows Vista: 15%&#8221;</p>
<p>100% skewed figures given the content of the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
If nobody uses Vista yet, what would be the point of cyber criminals to write viruses?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So are you saying that Vista is secure, albeit because of limited use?

I&#039;m also interested in how you define &quot;nobody&quot;? Just for fun, here are my blog stats for this month:

Windows XP: 52%
Windows Vista: 15%
Windows 2000: 10%
Mac OS X: 5.1%

Skewed by the content of the blog, no doubt, but it&#039;s first-hand evidence of significant usage.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
If nobody uses Vista yet, what would be the point of cyber criminals to write viruses?
</p></blockquote>
<p>So are you saying that Vista is secure, albeit because of limited use?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also interested in how you define &#8220;nobody&#8221;? Just for fun, here are my blog stats for this month:</p>
<p>Windows XP: 52%<br />
Windows Vista: 15%<br />
Windows 2000: 10%<br />
Mac OS X: 5.1%</p>
<p>Skewed by the content of the blog, no doubt, but it&#8217;s first-hand evidence of significant usage.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Stephane Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephane Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If nobody uses Vista yet, what would be the point of cyber criminals to write viruses? Don&#039;t they usually try to target as many computers as possible?

Let&#039;s revisit this theme 5 years from now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If nobody uses Vista yet, what would be the point of cyber criminals to write viruses? Don&#8217;t they usually try to target as many computers as possible?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s revisit this theme 5 years from now.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 11:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Well, he does start the article by saying how he *has* used Vista…
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, he says he&#039;s &quot;occasionally dabbled&quot; on one machine, and that his dad has one. Oddly, his experience as described is more positive than the list of negative links he cites. Then he says he&#039;s not making the transition.

I think he should try it in earnest, if he wants to know what it is like. 

My feelings are mixed; I agree that Vista has some problems (performance, audio) but it is perfectly usable - I&#039;ve run it since November 2007 on multiple machines, as regular readers will know.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Well, he does start the article by saying how he *has* used Vista…
</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, he says he&#8217;s &#8220;occasionally dabbled&#8221; on one machine, and that his dad has one. Oddly, his experience as described is more positive than the list of negative links he cites. Then he says he&#8217;s not making the transition.</p>
<p>I think he should try it in earnest, if he wants to know what it is like. </p>
<p>My feelings are mixed; I agree that Vista has some problems (performance, audio) but it is perfectly usable &#8211; I&#8217;ve run it since November 2007 on multiple machines, as regular readers will know.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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