Comments on: Misunderstanding Vista http://www.itwriting.com/blog/628-misunderstanding-vista.html Tech writing blog Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:28:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tom Welsh http://www.itwriting.com/blog/628-misunderstanding-vista.html/comment-page-1#comment-95640 Tom Welsh Tue, 20 May 2008 16:02:59 +0000 http://www.itwriting.com/blog/?p=628#comment-95640 Should that read "Misunderestimating Vista"? Should that read “Misunderestimating Vista”?

]]> By: tim http://www.itwriting.com/blog/628-misunderstanding-vista.html/comment-page-1#comment-95162 tim Fri, 16 May 2008 16:03:17 +0000 http://www.itwriting.com/blog/?p=628#comment-95162 @Ed Let's hope the author sees this and clarifies what was meant. Sure, the main point is that users should run as standard users. But when I read "there are really no benefits - only the pain of prompts", that says plainly that admin approval mode with elevation prompts is no better than old-style admin mode. Perhaps (I don't altogether agree); but it's a suprising statement. Tim @Ed

Let’s hope the author sees this and clarifies what was meant. Sure, the main point is that users should run as standard users. But when I read “there are really no benefits – only the pain of prompts”, that says plainly that admin approval mode with elevation prompts is no better than old-style admin mode. Perhaps (I don’t altogether agree); but it’s a suprising statement.

Tim

]]> By: Ed Bott http://www.itwriting.com/blog/628-misunderstanding-vista.html/comment-page-1#comment-95143 Ed Bott Fri, 16 May 2008 13:50:47 +0000 http://www.itwriting.com/blog/?p=628#comment-95143 I think it's a poorly written sentence. The key word, if I read it correctly, is "Enterprises should not run as <b>default</b> in Protected Admin mode..." If the user can elevate at any time and do unlimited damage to the system configuration and potentially to the network (what an earlier paragraph in this section calls "the family jewels"), there really are no benefits <b>to the business</b>. The key is the audience. This paper isn't aimed at end users or small businesses but rather at enterprises. The goal for the enterprise should be for every user to run as a standard user. I think it’s a poorly written sentence. The key word, if I read it correctly, is “Enterprises should not run as default in Protected Admin mode…” If the user can elevate at any time and do unlimited damage to the system configuration and potentially to the network (what an earlier paragraph in this section calls “the family jewels”), there really are no benefits to the business. The key is the audience. This paper isn’t aimed at end users or small businesses but rather at enterprises. The goal for the enterprise should be for every user to run as a standard user.

]]> By: tim http://www.itwriting.com/blog/628-misunderstanding-vista.html/comment-page-1#comment-94989 tim Thu, 15 May 2008 17:42:43 +0000 http://www.itwriting.com/blog/?p=628#comment-94989 @Ed Running as standard user is better, of course. But the question is: if you are running as admin (whether or not in the enterprise) is there any benefit to admin approval mode with elevation prompts? I'm surprised to see a Microsoft paper saying there are no benefits. Tim @Ed

Running as standard user is better, of course. But the question is: if you are running as admin (whether or not in the enterprise) is there any benefit to admin approval mode with elevation prompts? I’m surprised to see a Microsoft paper saying there are no benefits.

Tim

]]> By: Ed Bott http://www.itwriting.com/blog/628-misunderstanding-vista.html/comment-page-1#comment-94945 Ed Bott Thu, 15 May 2008 12:45:45 +0000 http://www.itwriting.com/blog/?p=628#comment-94945 “because there are really no benefits” In an enterprise, that's true. The goal is to prevent standard users from modifying the system installation without a real admin's approval. In consumer or small biusiness settings, the user is the admin, so running as a standard user is not an option. At least that's the way I took that. As for search, have you installed the Windows Search 4 Preview? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940157 “because there are really no benefits”

In an enterprise, that’s true. The goal is to prevent standard users from modifying the system installation without a real admin’s approval. In consumer or small biusiness settings, the user is the admin, so running as a standard user is not an option.

At least that’s the way I took that.

As for search, have you installed the Windows Search 4 Preview?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940157

]]> By: Ian Blackburn http://www.itwriting.com/blog/628-misunderstanding-vista.html/comment-page-1#comment-94931 Ian Blackburn Thu, 15 May 2008 11:30:20 +0000 http://www.itwriting.com/blog/?p=628#comment-94931 "because there are really no benefits" - That is indeed very curious, particularly when Mesh will not install unless UAC is on (http://blogs.msdn.com/livemesh/archive/2008/04/28/get-mesh-and-why-we-require-uac.aspx) - the reason: COM does not read the per-user hive with UAC off, this is apperently "fixed" in SP1 which sounds like a backward security move to me... Cheers Ian “because there are really no benefits” -

That is indeed very curious, particularly when Mesh will not install unless UAC is on (http://blogs.msdn.com/livemesh/archive/2008/04/28/get-mesh-and-why-we-require-uac.aspx) – the reason: COM does not read the per-user hive with UAC off, this is apperently “fixed” in SP1 which sounds like a backward security move to me…

Cheers

Ian

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